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When I watch what's coming out of HOLLYWOOD...
Or, listen to what's being broadcast on the radio these days...
I generally ask myself,"Who the hell would want to associate themselves with any of THAT crap!?"

I really am feeling "out of touch"... Perhaps I'm just getting old...
I haven't bought an album since Layne Staley died.

Am I wrong?

:cool:
 
I can't really say anything about the film industry, but it always confuses me when people say there's no good new music anymore.
With about 100,000 new songs (whatever counts as a "song") released every day, and the industrialization of popular music, it’s just getting harder and harder to find the good stuff.
 
When I watch what's coming out of HOLLYWOOD...
Or, listen to what's being broadcast on the radio these days...
I generally ask myself,"Who the hell would want to associate themselves with any of THAT crap!?"

I really am feeling "out of touch"... Perhaps I'm just getting old...
I haven't bought an album since Layne Staley died.

Am I wrong?

:cool:
To answer your question: yes

Now, the slightly longer answer: If you're listening to the mainstream stuff, then yeah, I would agree, but that might be because we're getting older and modern music is geared towards young people (i.e. how Chappel Roan blew up on tiktok before getting a record deal and so on) and things obviously aren't going to sound like Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden et al. to kids these days that stuff is probably ANCIENT (to be fair, Depeche Mode's early albums sounded ancient to me when I was a kid growing up in the 90s -- and that was just ten years or so into their career). But there are some amazing young artists making music fully indie and self-produced, releasing it on bandcamp, soundcloud, youtube... but you won't hear their work in a mall, that's for sure.

On the other hand, there is a lot to learn from modern music (even the mainstream kind), and contemporary music producers, so IMO it's always good to keep our ears open.
 
I think you're missing out on some wonderful things you'd enjoy. But I understand.

There's only so many hours in the day, and searching for new music that I like takes time. There's so much more music being released nowadays than when I was young. But I feel that most people my age just stick with the music they loved when they were young because they know they like that. It's safe. Like ordering the same thing in a restaurant--why spend so much money on something you're not sure you'll enjoy? My wife has seen all the "Sex and the City" episodes 50 times or more.

But if you're willing to keep an open mind and do some searching, you'll experience some amazing things. I revere The Beatles and Bob Dylan and everyone else, but I only listen to new music now. For the same reason I watch new movies. Time is limited, and I'm curious about the world today.

Why is Taylor Swift so popular? I was curious to find out what all the fuss was about. I listened a lot. Some I loved and some I didn't get into so much, but I eventually discovered "Folklore," which is now one of my favorite albums ever. If it had come out in the 60s or 70s, it would have been one of my favorite albums then. I love Billie Eilish, Lorde, Lana del Rey, Phoebe Bridgers, Mitski, and many others.

Still, I know I am just a tourist with that kind of music. The songs I write myself mostly come out of the lifetime of music that formed me, and they reflect my age.
 
Why is Taylor Swift so popular? I was curious to find out what all the fuss was about. I listened a lot. Some I loved and some I didn't get into so much, but I eventually discovered "Folklore," which is now one of my favorite albums ever. If it had come out in the 60s or 70s, it would have been one of my favorite albums then. I love Billie Eilish, Lorde, Lana del Rey, Phoebe Bridgers, Mitski, and many others.
Same here, except that I try to incorporate the cool elements of modern music into some of my songs.
It's never too late to try new things.
 
This guy seems a bit "...behind the times". He doesn't even mention Ai or online songwriting communities.


Lol... All those demo tapes I sent to strangers promising "real professional industry evaluations" 40yrs ago.

How far we've come... 😞
 
When I watch what's coming out of HOLLYWOOD...
Or, listen to what's being broadcast on the radio these days...
I generally ask myself,"Who the hell would want to associate themselves with any of THAT crap!?"

I really am feeling "out of touch"... Perhaps I'm just getting old...
I haven't bought an album since Layne Staley died.

Am I wrong?

:cool:
Plenty of crap, although that's kind of always been the case. (I grew up in the 70s and there are some laughably bad songs from back then, especially some of the melodramatic "story" songs.)

My wife and I always watch the Grammys each year, not because we care about who wins, but because it's a great way to find out who's new and good. Two years ago was particularly exceptional IMO, and Teddy Swims has been a regular on my playlists since, and I'll be damned if Justin Bieber isn't actually pretty good now.
 
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but there’s a difference between simply not liking something and saying it’s crap.

As I've grown older, I've encountered quite a bit of music I thought was pure garbage. But what I discovered time and time again is that when I took the time to listen closely and understand its origins, subculture, structure, and how it connects with its target audience, there is always value to be found. I still may not enjoy listening to it, but that doesn’t automatically mean it’s crap.

My generation (boomers) are simply not the target audience for modern pop music anymore. My parents could never relate to my love of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and The Cure - and they weren't supposed to. Those artists spoke to my culture of youth and deliberately shunned or defied the musical sensibilities of older audiences. It was music meant for a new generation.

A few years ago, I was browing YouTube to get a sampling of current popular music, and found most of the songs unappealing to my ears - they sounded musically uninteresting and lyrically unsophisticated - I pretty much had the same reaction as my parents did to my favorite music. But then I started reading the viewer comments, and was surprised to see how much this music actually meant to younger listeners - they quoted lyrics, called out favorite parts in the music, and shared how their lives were profoundly affected by these songs. That's exactly how I felt back in the day listening to The Who, Neil Young, Jackson Browne, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Van Halen, etc. as my parents rolled their eyes and dismissed it as nothing but "noise" and "garbage".

Just because I can't relate to a lot of today's music, doesn't mean there aren't people out there who are deeply moved, inspired, and affected by it. I'm simply not the target audience anymore, and that's perfectly fine. After all, I've already built up my own lifetime's worth of favorite music to listen to. There's no reason for me to sh*t on what other people are into.

That said, there are many contemporary artists I really respect and enjoy, like Billie Eilish, The Avett Brothers, Lewis Capaldi, Taylor Swift, Eminem, Lake Street Dive, BlackPink, Bruno Mars, and many, many others. My recent discovery of Angine de Poitrine was a mind-altering musical revelation!

Ultimately, there's something out there for everyone. The vast amount of music that's readily available nowadays is unprecedented in human history, so it's simply a matter of digging around until you find something that speaks to you.

Meanwhile, be happy enjoying the music you already know and love :thumbsup:
 
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Well..........
When I keep hearing that same "bump...pop...b,bump,bump..pop" with a three note rap style melody, singing about the "most beautiful eyes" or how "he makes my heart crazy"... I figure SUNO has actually been around for the last 20yrs.

I just tune it all out.
I want baked potatoes, BUTTER, Sour Cream, Bacon-n-beans, BBQ;
Not microwave ramen noodles.
 
Well..........
When I keep hearing that same "bump...pop...b,bump,bump..pop" with a three note rap style melody, singing about the "most beautiful eyes" or how "he makes my heart crazy"... I figure SUNO has actually been around for the last 20yrs.

I just tune it all out.
I want baked potatoes, BUTTER, Sour Cream, Bacon-n-beans, BBQ;
Not microwave ramen noodles.
there is more music being made than pop targeted at US teenagers. thats the great thing about todays music , there is so much of it and you can chose what to listen to. you aren't tied to what major mass media outlets keep pumping out at you. when i was a kid, we had no internet or social media and yes, for the most part you were heavily influenced by what major media magazine were pumping out at you, and then a little later MTV and what it was pumping out at you. But today you have options and choices, and you just need to discover for yourself what is your circle of people you want to be around and hang out and chat and listen to music with. There is a young band called Black Country ,New Road and I really like their music and their new album. It's a mix of folk and indie and a bit of prog , as its not just straight songs played to a formula. It's refreshing to listen to when you are constantly bombarded with 2 minute pop and rap and hyper pop songs and what not. Note: I do enjoy other genres , but i like hearing real people playing and singing interesting songs. It doesn't all need to be 4/4 + sub bass + arp synths and autotune.

 
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In the 60s, two of my favorite artists were Tim Buckley (Jeff's father) and The Velvet Underground. Neither of these artists made it to the charts or the Ed Sullivan Show. I found out about them because my older sister had a college boyfriend who told me about them. I knew how to play every song. Buckley's "Goodbye and Hello" was like "Sergeant Pepper" to me, and still is.

You can't judge what is best in music in an era by only looking at the charts.

I played the hits in a rock band at the time. We tried to do The Beatles but their songs were too difficult to play and sing. We had a lot of Paul Revere and the Raiders on our set list. "Hanky Panky" and "California Sun" were songs we were always asked to play. Of course "Louie Louie" and "Wipeout."

How many people today sit back and listen to "Louie Louie"? It was just a fun thing to dance to back then. But there was brilliant stuff then and there's brilliant stuff now. You just have to find it.
 
It doesn't all need to be 4/4 + sub bass + arp synths and autotune.
I know, right?!?
How many different ways can you write the same damn song?

Now, speaking of "DIFFERENT".... lol. "Black Country" will definitely challenge your categorizing skills.
Actually, her singing sounds like something from the middle ages, Scotland?
Interesting "mish-mash", something to cleanse the pallet :p
 
I know, right?!?
How many different ways can you write the same damn song?

Now, speaking of "DIFFERENT".... lol. "Black Country" will definitely challenge your categorizing skills.
Actually, her singing sounds like something from the middle ages, Scotland?
Interesting "mish-mash", something to cleanse the pallet :p
the band is going through a new formation. their previous lineup had a very interesting folk character leader who had a strong following and also did make some really great unique songs. but i think i like this new lineup with the females alternating taking on lead vocalist role. the previous lineup were really good though.

 
In the 60s, two of my favorite artists were Tim Buckley (Jeff's father) and The Velvet Underground. Neither of these artists made it to the charts or the Ed Sullivan Show. I found out about them because my older sister had a college boyfriend who told me about them. I knew how to play every song. Buckley's "Goodbye and Hello" was like "Sergeant Pepper" to me, and still is.

You can't judge what is best in music in an era by only looking at the charts.

I played the hits in a rock band at the time. We tried to do The Beatles but their songs were too difficult to play and sing. We had a lot of Paul Revere and the Raiders on our set list. "Hanky Panky" and "California Sun" were songs we were always asked to play. Of course "Louie Louie" and "Wipeout."

How many people today sit back and listen to "Louie Louie"? It was just a fun thing to dance to back then. But there was brilliant stuff then and there's brilliant stuff now. You just have to find it.
I often find myself thinking about how a persons interests in music gets developed and what makes them develop new interests in different music. My parents had awful taste in music. I remember as a kid browsing through their record collection. it was a mix of Boney M, Brotherhood of Man, Demis Roussos, Kokotas records and others like that.

I proceeded to develop the usual interest in mainstream pop of the times. But it wasn't until I was hanging out with one of my best friends in school, and we used to hang out at his sisters place and she was dating this dude who had all these old rock and roll music records (Zeppelin, Neil Young, Rolling Stones, e.t.c) and we used to browser the collection and look at covers and play the records and I think thats when my interest started to deviate away from pop music and I started digging into older more interesting music.

When I was starting out as a musician, one of my first paying gigs was a "supposed" musical director for a 60s cover band. (long story -- basically, this sleazy guy who managed page 3 models decided to get into music so he found these two dudes who really liked 60s music and suckered them into paying him to manage them and setup a band for them to tour the oldies circuit. It was an interesting experience -- I leant all these old Righteous Bros, Hermans Hermits, Beatles and other songs and played motels and Holiday Inn's to old folks in what was then the dark deepressed Toronto of the early 90s. Learning those songs really helped later on in my music career and life as you learnt how well written songs are structured.


btw.. for those who don't know who Kokotas was.

 
I Sure Hope NOT! lol :cool:
What was on my mind when I said you can't judge what's best in music from an era was Rick Beato. That's what he does in countless videos. He plays excerpts from today's charts and talks about how crappy most of it is. He then compares a third-rate Jonas Brothers song to The Beatles or some other brilliant band. It has always been the case that whatever is popular is not necessarily the best.

I've seen him grab ten seconds from one Taylor Swift song and make a face. It doesn't seem fair to me, because she's written hundreds of songs, many of which will stand the test of time. This is why so many of the greatest living songwriters, from Paul McCartney on down, admire her work.

I love Rick Beato and have learned a lot from him, but I like him best when he talks about the music he loves.
 
What was on my mind when I said you can't judge what's best in music from an era was Rick Beato. That's what he does in countless videos. He plays excerpts from today's charts and talks about how crappy most of it is. He then compares a third-rate Jonas Brothers song to The Beatles or some other brilliant band. It has always been the case that whatever is popular is not necessarily the best.

I've seen him grab ten seconds from one Taylor Swift song and make a face. It doesn't seem fair to me, because she's written hundreds of songs, many of which will stand the test of time. This is why so many of the greatest living songwriters, from Paul McCartney on down, admire her work.

I love Rick Beato and have learned a lot from him, but I like him best when he talks about the music he loves.
Yeah. I agree. Those Beato videos are sometimes nonsense. Its like someone in the 70s trying to take a Uriah Heep song and comparing it a famous Beatles track. Uriah had their fans, but they were very far below anything the Beatles did with George Martin. That being said, Beato does decent interviews and he is musically skilled and I respect him for that. I just sometimes find he does a but of pandering to the older grumpy crowd who like to whine about how bad things have come to be.
 
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